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We're already in some magical land that makes our dreams come true - mostly the bad ones - so let's think about the impossible some more.

[Leonard may be calling it "impossible" mostly to heckle one specific Brit, given he's travelled through time himself, but maybe it will also flush out other time travellers. May be interesting.]

If you could travel to any point in history, where and when would you go, and why?

Also, if you could travel to any point in your own personal history, your lifetime... Same questions.

Would you try to change anything?

[He has experience with trying and the resulting failure too.]

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["lol"? And that although he isn't talking to a teenager for once.]

Vandal Savage. Bit of a larger scale than Hitler, hard as it is to compare these things.

We're not from the same universe, I'd guess.

[ OH COME ON SHE WAS MAKING FUN OF YOU. LOL. ]

I'm guessing not. The only time travel my universe has - as far as I'm aware - is freeze storage. Wake up in a brave new world and all that.

So people in your world are named "Vandal Savage" and nobody's like, "This kid might not turn out well?"

Think that's not quite the same. Just goes forward in time the traditional way, whether it's a person or peas.

Pretty sure he gave himself that name. Not really sure how he ever got anyone trusting him after that, but people can be astonishingly stupid in all universes, in my experience.

Exactly! You don't see US breaking timelines! [ She thinks. Actually - would she know if someone had? ]

On that point, we're agreed. Like Einstein said, right? Human stupidity, etc.

So how badly did you fuck up the timeline trying to stop him?

So, given you've never done it and no one in your world's done it, you take your knowledge from... the syfy channel?

[Makes as much sense as anything.]

Hard to judge. Mostly we ended up fixing our mistakes again.

Theoretical physics and physicists who have studied the possibility of time travel, actually.

Uh-huh. How many times did you try that before it finally took?

So, you spent a lot of time discussing time travel with them in all seriousness, while you're telling someone you don't know, who's actually done it, who comes from a different universe with different circumstances that you're not familiar with, that they must be a total idiot? Sound.

Don't know. I wasn't around for the final time.

Edited 2017-05-04 03:17 (UTC)

To be fair, did you believe in time travel before you did it?

Do I want to know what happened?

I'd rather think it's none of your concern, actually.

While my colleague has shown himself both knowledgeable and patient in his replies, as the one who introduced him to time travel, I think it'd be better to direct any further questions to me.

Time travel being none of my concern or my talking to him about it?

And okay, I'll bite. Question one. Paradoxes. Are they or are they not a problem with time travel where the best way to avoid them is NOT to time travel?

Clearly.

And yet, since I doubt you can name a single discovery or invention in the whole of human history that hasn't somehow been used for the cause of personal gain, would it be so difficult to believe that there are those who would engage in time travel for the purpose of protecting it?

Clearly both? Because you're talking to me about it, too.

That sounds like a system that could be abused. I'm still trying to get over the idea of time travel being feasible. Some people have speculated that it COULD be possible, but only to more forward in time. So do you just keep moving farther and farther out on the timeline? How do you keep in touch with people at other points of time?

Clearly in regards to the paradox question.

In regards to the system, of course it could be—again, something that could be said of any system.

You're only considering time travel within the confines of those speculations, presumably which are limited by the technology and understandings of both your universe and time. Certainly being within this dimension it all is evidence that truly anything might be possible.

Clearly you're used to more advanced means of communication than texting.

[ She's partly teasing, but also not, because she really hadn't understood to what he was referring. ]

You're welcome to explain it to me. Though so far all I've learned is that you don't think highly of people who are limited by the technology and understandings of both their universe and time. Still, I'm willing to actually learn if you're willing to actually teach.

[ Instead of cop an attitude that is so shitty it seems to have come straight from his ass.

... An assitude. ]

Edited (clarification. My ass-brain skipped over some stuff. ... assain. brass. DAMN IT.) 2017-05-16 18:22 (UTC)

Yes, as a matter of fact.

[Was she teasing? Rip honestly can't tell.]

Quite to the contrary; the limitations of understanding based on one's time of origin are nothing to hold against a person. [Problematic at times, sure. But Rip hardly begrudges anyone for that. Under normal circumstances, in fact, he loves a bit of appropriate showing off when it comes to future tech.

And yet.] Rather, it's the close-mindedness required to pass blanket judgment on a practice you don't understand, condemning it as something "idiotic" regardless of the reasons for its undertaking, or assuming that those who have must all be fools who move through time without a single damn regard for the potential impact of their actions, both in regards to the timeline and their own personal lives.

That is what I take issue with.

[ Oh, man. If she could do eyerolls over text... ]

Yes, I was close-minded because I had bad intel, but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to learn from my mistakes. If you're so upset about it, rec a book or something, but don't cut into a conversation I'm having with someone else to throw a hissy fit and waste both of our time. Or MY time, I guess, since YOU can just go back in time and get a redo or something.

When I was a kid, I didn't think dinosaurs had fur or feathers because scientists didn't know about that yet. They found evidence of it when I got older and I accepted that dinosaurs had fur and feathers. There's a difference between telling people and being an ass. And so far, you've been a bit of an ass.

[ And if Rip ever visits Sharon's younger self, Sharon hopes her younger self bites him. ]

You had no intel but your own assumptions, point of fact. And as for cutting into the conversation, I'll once more reiterate that I'm the one who brought the original speaker into the time-travelling fold, as it were. That ultimately makes the responsibility mine.

[And not just for answering questions related to the practice—which is so much the source of Rip's ire, and his reason for stepping in.

She can't hear it, but there's a sigh on Rip's end.]

One, we've got no access to time travel here, at least not by the methods used to do so in my world. Two, I wouldn't be replacing my younger self; I as the traveler would be present alongside him, and if I were going to do so, it'd be for a damn better reason than convincing him to avoid one particularly troublesome discussion. Three, there's an incredible risk of paradox when it comes to such meetings, not to mention that traveling back along your own personal timeline to events you've already participated in runs the risk of time literally folding in on itself, and while we may be in fact operating within a world where time has a completely different "flow" or none at all, I'd really rather not take the risk of wrecking what limited rules of reality this dimension seems to abide by.

Oh, and for the record? I've apparently got a bit of a reputation for being a dick already, so it's not really news to me.

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